TMP331 MAX SANDERS GETS HEARD

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:16] Speaker B: Listeners, welcome back to the Troubled Men podcast. I am Renee Coleman, sitting once again in the heart of the Clampire Snake and Jake's Christmas Club Lounge. [00:00:25] Speaker C: Yes. [00:00:25] Speaker B: With my co host, the original troubled man for troubled times and former future mayor of New Orleans, Mr. Manny Chevrolet. [00:00:35] Speaker C: It's only the 380th show. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I can't. I can't be perfect every time. [00:00:41] Speaker B: Anyway, welcome back, Manny. Good. Good to be here. It says. [00:00:46] Speaker C: Yeah, you don't have to say former mayor. [00:00:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:00:49] Speaker C: You know, just say the original man. [00:00:52] Speaker B: Okay. All right, I'll leave that. [00:00:54] Speaker C: I'll leave the rest polit, you know, up in the air for now, you know. [00:01:00] Speaker B: Okay, Right. [00:01:01] Speaker C: But you know, that's all you gotta say. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:04] Speaker C: I think our listeners, and maybe our. Even our new listeners will figure it out. [00:01:08] Speaker B: They'll get the picture. [00:01:09] Speaker D: Sure. [00:01:10] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Because many, even the new listeners, they go back and they listen to older episodes themselves in. [00:01:16] Speaker C: I got a. [00:01:19] Speaker C: Message today from our old. My old friend and former guest, Brandt, Writer. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Oh, Brandt. Yeah. How's he doing? [00:01:25] Speaker C: He's well, he's high as a kite. [00:01:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:29] Speaker C: Business is doing really okay. [00:01:31] Speaker B: He had the, the, the Delta Nine, Delta eight, he. Parkers. [00:01:34] Speaker C: Yeah, he partnered up with some other company and they're doing really well and he's doing some other. It's all on the down low or something like that. Yeah, he's doing really well. In fact, he gave me that money. Healed. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Oh, good. [00:01:46] Speaker C: That's how. Well, about time, you know, Former guest and he's. He. He the reason why I brought that up because he voicemailed me. He said he, he started listening to the show again. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:57] Speaker C: And he says, keep doing what you're doing. All right. That's what he said. [00:02:01] Speaker B: Okay, well, like the encouragement from Brant. He was always encouraging right from the start. [00:02:06] Speaker C: Yes. [00:02:07] Speaker B: To what degree he could be. [00:02:08] Speaker C: Yeah, he's a good guy. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I dig him. He's a feral hippie child. The episode that we did on him. Yeah. There's a picture of him standing out there as a. Like a shirtless three year old. A bunch of filthy hippies. [00:02:23] Speaker C: Like what, Western Virginia, somewhere in the middle of nowhere. [00:02:28] Speaker B: Looked like they're waiting for an FBI raid any minute there. [00:02:33] Speaker C: Dad, dad, you know, shredding all the files and. [00:02:37] Speaker B: Right, right, right. Manson Family Auxiliary, something like that. [00:02:41] Speaker C: Yeah. But yeah, he says hi. [00:02:44] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:44] Speaker C: Nice. Anyway. Yeah. So what else has happened? [00:02:46] Speaker B: Oh, well, you know, we had Thanksgiving this week. We talked about our plans for Thanksgiving. Did yours come off as as expected. [00:02:53] Speaker C: No, no, no. Well, we did. We did cancel that. [00:02:58] Speaker B: Right. [00:02:58] Speaker C: I knew that traditional thing. We canceled it. So it was just me, the wife and child. Well, now grown up. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Right, but still your child. [00:03:07] Speaker C: We were. We were thinking of things, you know, what we were going to do. And of course, any time we do that as a family, I always get outvoted because it's two against one. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Oh, okay. All the girls gang up. [00:03:17] Speaker C: All right. Yeah. So they won this year. I wanted Burger King and they got McDonald's, so I had to eat McDonald's. [00:03:25] Speaker B: Okay. Did you get a Happy Meal? [00:03:27] Speaker C: No, I got Unhappy Meal. I got an unhappy Meal. Unhappy morning when I woke up, too. [00:03:33] Speaker B: Sure. [00:03:34] Speaker C: Stomach. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:36] Speaker C: Movements were not good. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Okay. [00:03:38] Speaker C: Well, you know, it's just so greasy. [00:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not really good for you. It's kind of. [00:03:43] Speaker C: It used to me, I used to like French fries. After being. After drinking a lot, the McDonald's french fries would sober you up, you know? [00:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:50] Speaker C: But it didn't work this time. No. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Too far gone. [00:03:54] Speaker C: Because my child's generation, it's all about getting things delivered, you know? And I think fast food should be eaten right then and there. [00:04:03] Speaker B: I've heard you say that before. Like, I tried to bring you a Jack in the box hamburger from Laplace and you said, no, I don't want it. [00:04:09] Speaker C: It's going to be, you know, it's. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Going to be Gonzalez. That's where it was. [00:04:12] Speaker C: Yeah. No, I think that's why they call it fast food. [00:04:15] Speaker D: Right. [00:04:16] Speaker C: Eat it right then and there. [00:04:18] Speaker D: It's not fast food unless you almost rear in the guy in front of. [00:04:21] Speaker C: You while you're trying to eat your burger. [00:04:23] Speaker B: Okay, that's true, too. [00:04:25] Speaker D: You know, have fast responses. [00:04:26] Speaker C: So, you know, they wanted. They door dashed it by the time they got to our house. [00:04:30] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:04:31] Speaker C: Three. Three number threes, you know, ended up costing like $80, you know, so ridiculous. [00:04:36] Speaker B: Y' all didn't want to go out, get out of the house? [00:04:38] Speaker C: No, no. Cuz I couldn't find my keys. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Oh, sure. [00:04:42] Speaker C: So you. And. But do you. I remember the hot apple pies at McDonald's. Those used to be pretty good. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Do they still have those? [00:04:52] Speaker C: I don't think so. [00:04:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:53] Speaker C: I don't. [00:04:54] Speaker B: Probably a liability. [00:04:56] Speaker C: Think like they, like, they. They bring the McRib out every, like three years or something. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:05:01] Speaker C: I think the same thing. People sue them and stuff like that. [00:05:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. McRib, they dangle it out there for you. So it's for a limited time and everybody thinks so it's. I gotta go get it now. [00:05:11] Speaker C: Right, exactly. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Have you ever had one? I've never had one. [00:05:14] Speaker C: I did have one once, but probably back in the 80s, I think. [00:05:18] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:05:19] Speaker C: I can't even remember what it tasted like. [00:05:21] Speaker D: Sure. [00:05:21] Speaker C: I know it had like the sauce and onions. [00:05:26] Speaker B: Okay, well, you know, all the flavors at McDonald's, they're all artificial, you know, like they, they are all food science. It's. [00:05:35] Speaker C: Anyway, well, Ray Kroc was a madman. [00:05:37] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I think that's genius. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's probably after Ray Kroc's time that they've gone into the, the Car Guild era where it's all like I say, all just chemical flavors. [00:05:51] Speaker C: I like watching our reading. Sometimes I see on the, the Google News or the Yahoo News, there's. They have these articles, you know, so and so Top Chef from like New York rates his five favorite fast food places, you know, and it's always. There's always one that's in there. Like in and out is always in there. [00:06:10] Speaker B: You always mention that. That's one of the top ones. [00:06:12] Speaker C: Yeah, in and Out. [00:06:14] Speaker B: I like their product a few times quality. [00:06:16] Speaker D: So operation in and out's overrated. [00:06:20] Speaker B: Oh, really? What do you like? [00:06:23] Speaker D: I feel like In N Out's good, but if you've ever hung out in Austin, one of the co founders of In N Out broke off and started this place called Peterry's. [00:06:34] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:06:34] Speaker C: I know, but I think. Is it like a nationwide fast food chain? [00:06:38] Speaker D: No, it's local. [00:06:39] Speaker C: That's not. Doesn't. [00:06:40] Speaker D: Yeah. What the fuck do I. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Well, they had that thing in Austin where it was like there was, there was a company as a homegrown company and maybe it was like Franz or something. And then the guy died and he left it to his kids and they started renaming the place after themselves. Does this ring a bell at all? What's that burger place in Austin? [00:07:04] Speaker C: Well, I remember the first time I tried Whataburger was in Austin. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Okay, I don't think that's. No, no, that's not what I'm talking about. No, no, that's Trouble Nation. [00:07:12] Speaker C: If you know what he's talking about. [00:07:13] Speaker B: You know what the I'm talking about. Please let me know. Somebody. [00:07:16] Speaker C: Somebody must about some family left a. A restaurant to a son. [00:07:20] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right. Anyway, so speaking of restaurants, I don't know if you saw this in the news. I'd heard about it just from a patron already, but that one of the, the great homespun Mexican restaurants right over there. And your neighborhood right by Brado. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Was. [00:07:42] Speaker C: Oh, no, Takara Guerrero. [00:07:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:07:45] Speaker C: Shut down. [00:07:46] Speaker B: Yeah, Shut down temporarily, at least. Hopefully only temporarily, but, like, in anticipation of the. The ice. [00:07:53] Speaker C: Right. [00:07:55] Speaker B: Coming. Coming here. Coming to the patrols that they'd scared off all their patrons and workers. [00:08:01] Speaker C: Yes. [00:08:02] Speaker B: And. [00:08:03] Speaker C: Well, it's going to happen. Yeah. I think more restaurants should do that. [00:08:06] Speaker B: Well, I think. I think. I think I saw something else on the news today that. That they're not. The only one is actually. They had the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce talking about five or six restaurants that. That were. [00:08:18] Speaker C: Well, I also heard on the way home today that our governor, they kept asking him, well, when is. What you said they were going to be here the first day of December. The border people, Border patrol. And now he says, no, it's not going to be for two weeks. So they're not coming. But ice, I think, is here. [00:08:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I saw him in there, you know. [00:08:38] Speaker C: Saw them where? [00:08:39] Speaker D: I saw them in the Bywater, man. [00:08:41] Speaker C: I thought you said the R Bar. [00:08:43] Speaker D: Oh, my God. I don't think they'd let the ice in the R Bar. [00:08:46] Speaker C: Yeah. I was gonna say. I don't know. [00:08:49] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:49] Speaker C: Knows. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:50] Speaker C: It's good that we're being cautious. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:08:52] Speaker C: And we're like, you know, hey, because, you know, they can mistake you or me, you know? [00:08:57] Speaker B: Sure. Yeah, yeah. [00:08:58] Speaker D: You know, y. Y' all didn't go to Guerrero. I was there on the last day. [00:09:01] Speaker B: Oh, were you on Sunday? [00:09:03] Speaker D: Yeah, on Sunday. Yeah. [00:09:05] Speaker B: Taqueria. [00:09:06] Speaker C: Oh, no, no. I. I've eaten there a few times, and it was okay. [00:09:11] Speaker B: It was pretty good. They had that other place. [00:09:13] Speaker D: You got to get the green store. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Okay. The green sauce. All right, well, it's too late now. [00:09:16] Speaker C: Just buy a loan. Just green sauce. Nothing else? Just green sauce. [00:09:20] Speaker D: Straight green sauce with the straw. [00:09:23] Speaker C: Speaking of, like, going out and getting something to eat, this last Saturday. [00:09:28] Speaker C: The wife and I, we were like, there's nothing in the fridge. There's nothing to eat. I've been driving by on Broad. You know where the Whole Foods is? Right across street from the Whole Foods. This Honduran place opened about three months ago. [00:09:41] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:41] Speaker C: I go, I gotta check this place. I gotta check it out. Gotcha. There's. They have an original one. It's called El Sabor. Five Estrellas out in Metairie. They opened one on Broad. I'm saying I looked it up, said, oh, they're pretty popular in Met. I'll go check them out. So finally, after three months of driving by, went to check them out and they have banners saying, you know, we got this. We got this Honduran pupusas, and they even do menudo there. [00:10:07] Speaker B: They say, oh, okay. [00:10:09] Speaker C: So we went there Saturday night, and we go there, and I said, I'd like to see a menu. The menu. He has this menu just, like, with, like, Mark's, you know, like a Sharpie. There's no. There's not no real menu. It's just, like, a Sharpie on. He goes, well, you know, we're kind of limited today, the guy said. I go, what are you talking about? He goes, all we got is tacos. It's like, you're a Honduran restaurant. I go, where's the Honduran food? He goes, we're all out of the Honduran. [00:10:35] Speaker B: Oh, I guess so popular. [00:10:37] Speaker C: Maybe that or jumped on it, you know, I have no idea. I was like, well, you know, the. They had, like, street tacos and, like, two burritos to choose from. That was it. And I was just like, well, fuck, I wanted, like, some Honduran food, you know? [00:10:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:51] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:10:52] Speaker C: You know, so he made the food for us, and it was okay, you know, but the green sauce was really good. [00:10:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:10:59] Speaker C: It was really good. [00:11:00] Speaker D: I've been to that OG restaurant in Metairie, and it's amazing. Yeah, amazing, man. [00:11:05] Speaker C: Well, I wanted that. [00:11:06] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:11:06] Speaker C: And I said, you're the same people out in Metairie. He goes, yeah, we're the same ones. I go, where's the pupusas and all that other stuff? Don't have any. [00:11:13] Speaker D: I'm not sure they even had tacos on the menu in Met. [00:11:16] Speaker C: No. Well, this was it. They advertise that it's all Honduran, but if you want a taco, they'll make you a taco. If you want a burrito, they'll make you. That's what they say. So. But when we went there that night, that's all they had. [00:11:28] Speaker D: That's. [00:11:28] Speaker B: That was all that was left. [00:11:29] Speaker C: Yeah, but they're not that busy. Every time I drive by there, there's nobody in there. So I don't know. Something's going on. All right. [00:11:37] Speaker D: Something. [00:11:37] Speaker B: Something's up. [00:11:38] Speaker C: I have no idea. [00:11:39] Speaker B: Well, let's see. It's. It's Tiki Tiki Tuesday today here at the. The Christmas Club Lounge. It's not bring your dog to the bar night, unfortunately, it's not. Well, last week it was. If you recall, this joint was. Was crawling with canines. But it is. What do they call it? Giving Tuesday today, Is it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're trying to. So, you know, it's. Everybody's got their tin cup out there and, you know, all right. [00:12:08] Speaker B: We'Re no different. We'll get to that on the break. [00:12:13] Speaker B: Anyway, if you. [00:12:14] Speaker C: I've always given advice. [00:12:16] Speaker B: Right, right, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Just. Nobody wants to take it. [00:12:18] Speaker C: Nobody wants to take it, you know, that's it. So you had a good holiday? [00:12:23] Speaker B: I had a good holiday, yes. [00:12:24] Speaker C: You had your family come? [00:12:25] Speaker B: I had the family come over, yeah. Had, you know, 16, 17 people there. It was a lovely afternoon. [00:12:32] Speaker C: How many pound turkey do you get? Not. [00:12:35] Speaker B: Not a big turkey. In fact. There was no leftover turkey. Yeah. I think my mother, you know, has. Has gotten the estimation down to a science to where we had just enough for everybody to eat and then none left over. So I was actually making no fun, you know. [00:12:51] Speaker D: Sandwiches. [00:12:52] Speaker B: Yeah, there was no. No leftover turkey sandwiches. I had some leftover, like, you know, stuffing and stuff like that. You know, macaroni and cheese. Had some of that leftover. So it was a very starchy leftover meal. But. [00:13:07] Speaker C: So it was good. [00:13:08] Speaker B: It was good. It was good. [00:13:09] Speaker C: You and your father got along? [00:13:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it's not too much opportunity for conflict these days. He sits there and. And, you know, I bring him a Coke, and that's pretty much the extent of. He listens. [00:13:22] Speaker C: He says, who are you? [00:13:24] Speaker B: He listens. No, he knows who I am. He doesn't do a lot of talking, but he's listening, he's paying attention. And we talk. We talk around him so he can bask in the glow of his children, grandchildren. [00:13:35] Speaker C: When you talk to him, do you have to, like, raise your voice and say, dad? [00:13:38] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. He can hear. [00:13:41] Speaker C: It's time to eat, dad. [00:13:42] Speaker B: No, no. He's. He's. He's. Nothing escapes him. [00:13:45] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I think he's. He's. He's paying attention more than you'd know. [00:13:51] Speaker B: He's a cagey. [00:13:54] Speaker B: Let's see, what else. Christmas music is back. [00:13:58] Speaker C: Oh, God. [00:13:58] Speaker B: And. And it's like, you know, it's a shock to me every year. Shouldn't be. But you walk in the grocery store, I'm like, oh, shit, man, I forgot my earplugs. Or, you know, I got to bring my. My earbuds so I can listen to something else and not have to hear the. The Christmas music soundtrack. [00:14:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. It's. It's. It's just. That's too much. [00:14:17] Speaker B: It's a bit oppressive. [00:14:18] Speaker C: And then the commercials are already. The commercial started Back in October. And it just, just goes on and on and on and on for all the. [00:14:25] Speaker B: All the stuff they only sell during Christmas. Like colognes, for instance. You know, it's something nobody ever would ever buy for themselves generally. So they. They can only hope that they can suck someone into. [00:14:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:37] Speaker D: Who really wants to smell like Christmas? [00:14:39] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, who wants an ugly sweater? Right? [00:14:45] Speaker C: You know, and I'm just waiting for that commercial that's been on for the past five years where the guy, the guy and the girl on the hillside and snowing. And he whistles and this puppy comes out. Remember that commercial? Yeah, puppy. And then she puts two fingers in her mouth and blows in this huge, like, truck, Right? [00:15:06] Speaker B: Suv. [00:15:07] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:08] Speaker B: Bounding over the. [00:15:08] Speaker C: I'm just waiting for that commercial. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:12] Speaker C: Because I want those kids to keep getting the residual checks. [00:15:14] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:15] Speaker C: Seeing them. Anything, anything else. It's that. [00:15:16] Speaker B: Right, right, right. It's their one chance to. To. [00:15:19] Speaker C: Well, I should be getting one cuz one of my holiday movies I did should be running. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Oh, what's that? [00:15:24] Speaker C: It's called. God. What the was it called? [00:15:27] Speaker B: This is the basketball movie. [00:15:29] Speaker C: No, not the basketball movie. It was. It was a hall. It was one of those Hallmark Channel movies. [00:15:34] Speaker B: I don't remember. [00:15:34] Speaker C: I had a scene with. What's the guy from Beverly Hills? 90215. [00:15:43] Speaker C: Matt. [00:15:43] Speaker B: Matthew Perry. No, no, it's not Luke Perry. [00:15:47] Speaker C: Not Luke Perry. It was the other kid. The good kid. [00:15:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't. [00:15:51] Speaker C: I can't remember. It'll come. [00:15:53] Speaker B: All right, all right. [00:15:54] Speaker C: Even the name of the movie will come. [00:15:55] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah. [00:15:56] Speaker C: It's no wonder. [00:15:57] Speaker B: That was no wonder. [00:15:58] Speaker C: It started snowing in places that never snowed before. Wow. [00:16:01] Speaker B: I don't remember you being in that picture. [00:16:03] Speaker C: I played a. I played a hotel manager. [00:16:05] Speaker B: Okay, who? [00:16:07] Speaker C: The actor from 90210. He's caught. His wife catches him having an affair while he's apparently on business. [00:16:16] Speaker B: Huh. [00:16:17] Speaker D: No wonder. [00:16:17] Speaker C: Yes, no wonder. [00:16:18] Speaker B: Monkey business. [00:16:19] Speaker C: So she freezes all the credit cards and then he comes to like pay his bill because he's checking out. And I go, can I see you for a second, sir? [00:16:30] Speaker B: You pull him on the side? [00:16:31] Speaker C: Yeah. I go, your credit card's been declined. And he's like, what? I go, I'll be right back. And then he goes and looks at the TV and it's snowing everywhere. [00:16:40] Speaker D: Ah. [00:16:41] Speaker C: And I come back, I go like this. [00:16:44] Speaker B: I just wave motion over. [00:16:46] Speaker C: It just fades out to see. That was my whole scene. [00:16:48] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:16:48] Speaker C: Yeah. All right. [00:16:49] Speaker B: Sounds like a good One. I'll have to keep an eye out for that snow wonder. [00:16:52] Speaker C: Snow One. [00:16:53] Speaker D: All right. [00:16:53] Speaker B: Troubled nation. Keep your eye out for that. If. If it's passing on the. [00:16:57] Speaker C: No, it'll play this season. [00:16:59] Speaker B: The Hallmark. [00:16:59] Speaker C: Around January. I'll get a receipt. Residuals. [00:17:01] Speaker B: Oh, okay. All right. Keep your eye out for it. [00:17:04] Speaker C: Hallmark will have their, like, marathon of holiday movies and stuff. All right. [00:17:09] Speaker B: I know you're a part of that franchise, Manny. [00:17:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm in that French. [00:17:13] Speaker B: Good to know. [00:17:14] Speaker C: Yeah, well. [00:17:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Have a mani. Manny. Christmas. [00:17:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:20] Speaker B: Well, we had some sad news this week. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [00:17:24] Speaker C: Someone move your bowl? [00:17:25] Speaker B: This guy. Yeah, yeah. This fellow who. [00:17:29] Speaker B: Had renovated and ran this club, Madame Vicks there on Elysian Fields. Scott Veazey is a terrific guy. Solid citizen. A very welcoming, hilarious guy. Real sense of humor. He suddenly passed away the night before Thanksgiving, I think. Yeah, yeah. And I think the bar. He's selling the building for some. And he closed the club last year, but he would occasionally open it up for a night or two, and I think he had just put something out on. On social media saying, hey, I'm opening the bar up from 9 to 12. Everybody come out and have a drink with me. Oh, And. And then next thing you know, he's. He was. He was gone. So. [00:18:10] Speaker C: So he never opened. [00:18:11] Speaker B: I think he did. And then maybe. I'm not sure if it was that night or the next night or something, but, yeah, he was a spontaneous guy. [00:18:17] Speaker C: Money from him. Yeah. [00:18:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, you know, never know. You never know. That's why, I guess you got to always just stay one step ahead of the game. But. But shout out to Scott V. He'll be be missed by the entire New Orleans music community. [00:18:30] Speaker C: Talk about a happy hour. He's like, I'm gonna open for two hours. Come on, hurry. [00:18:33] Speaker B: Well, yeah, Just to come hang out with his friends. Yeah, yeah. Hey, come on over, kids. [00:18:37] Speaker C: All right, so what is he. Does he close right at that time? He's like, I'm closing. [00:18:41] Speaker B: Oh, you know, he. [00:18:42] Speaker C: Three hours is up. Get out. [00:18:43] Speaker B: Knowing him, he probably kept it open till. Till. Till everything was. All the supplies were gone. [00:18:48] Speaker C: It's like. It's like those two words that will scare the. The out of any Irishman. And that's last call. [00:18:58] Speaker B: Well, you understand that, you know? Well, you got anything else? Maybe we should get to our guest here. [00:19:04] Speaker C: I got someone I'll talk to about it during the break. [00:19:06] Speaker B: Okay, cool. [00:19:07] Speaker C: All right. [00:19:07] Speaker D: All right. [00:19:08] Speaker B: We have our guest. I've known him for a short amount of time, met him on on a lend Drury gig and surprisingly he showed up with last week's guest as the silent partner in the podcast and we wound up hanging out a little bit after the thing. He talked his way onto the podcast, which he's. I like someone that's got that, you know, has got a spark in him, got the sparkle in their eye, wagging their tail. He's a terrific young guitar and mandolin player, singer, songwriter, has his own band as well as several side projects, among them Cosmic Gumbo Crew Debauchery. What else? Hunks of Coal you mentioned. And we're going to talk about, they have a new record that's just coming out today. I think that's kind of a holiday based thing, but it can be seen playing with such other bands as Lynn Drury, Dave Jordan. I recently played on the annual New Orleans performance of the Last Waltz that they had there at the Civic Theater and as well as the John Prine birthday show at the Broadside. And he just released a new single, Steel Guitar from his forthcoming ep and he'll be playing on the Dave Jordan doing It for Dave benefit at Tipitina's on December 11th. [00:20:21] Speaker D: Yes, indeed. [00:20:22] Speaker C: Dave Ill or something? [00:20:24] Speaker B: Yeah, he had a stroke. We talked about it last, last week his son was on the podcast. He's recovering from a stroke. He's doing much better all the time. He's strong, he's gonna, he's sung on a few things, but it's, it's gonna be a. [00:20:35] Speaker C: Who's his son? [00:20:37] Speaker B: Miles Jordan, who was the guest last week. But anyway, we're gonna get into all that and much more. But without further ado, the great Mr. Max Sanders. [00:20:46] Speaker D: Thank you, Rene. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Welcome, Max. [00:20:47] Speaker D: Thank you. Pleasure to be here. [00:20:49] Speaker B: Well, as I say, I, I, I met you on the, the Lynn Drury gig and somehow I didn't know really much about your background, just, just from the vibe I got. Listen to your playing. Just you're, I was thinking that you might be from Kentucky or something. Tennessee, Eastern Tennessee. But in fact, you're not. [00:21:08] Speaker D: Yeah, no, I'm, well, I was born in San Francisco, but I've been here since I was like two. [00:21:13] Speaker B: Okay. You don't remember living in San Francisco? [00:21:16] Speaker D: No. [00:21:17] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. So you grew up in the New Orleans area? [00:21:20] Speaker D: Yeah, until high school. I was on the North Shore and then I went to Noka and did the whole thing with Michael Polara and all this. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Oh, you did? Okay. All right. [00:21:28] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:21:29] Speaker B: Well, so, so you, but you grew up in Saint Tammany Parish? [00:21:31] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:21:32] Speaker B: Okay, well that's, you know, it's very close to New Orleans, but it's a different kind of culture. [00:21:38] Speaker D: I'm glad. By the time it was time to have fun, I was in a place where people knew how to have fun, you know? [00:21:43] Speaker B: Right, right. Because, man, Saint Tammany, until a couple of years ago, it was run by a DA that had been there for a long time. What was his name? Reed something. Read. And then they had the sheriff, Jack Strain, who. [00:21:55] Speaker D: What a name. [00:21:56] Speaker B: And both of those guys wound up going to jail. [00:21:58] Speaker C: And didn't one go for child pornography? [00:22:03] Speaker B: No, for. For sexual assault. That was Jack Strain, longtime sheriff, but apparently when he was a younger patrolman or something, he was abusing prisoners in his charge. Young. You know, younger dudes, you know, he's using the leverage of, you know, color of the uniform to. To. And. And that. I think that went on for a long time and, you know, finally caught up with him. [00:22:31] Speaker D: And. [00:22:31] Speaker B: And he's. He's in prison now, but. So I'm glad you weren't out there being. Being victimized. [00:22:38] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm glad I wasn't being Jack. Strained. [00:22:40] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right. You went to elementary school and all over there. [00:22:44] Speaker D: Yeah. Well, I was lucky. My parents realized I was only good at art pretty early, so they sent me to some, like, Montessori school in Hammond, and they were like, maybe he's reformed enough to be a student. And I did one year at Episcopal School in Covington and heard about Noka, and they were like, let's just send him off to New Orleans with the artists. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Okay. [00:23:09] Speaker D: The only way he's gonna be okay. [00:23:10] Speaker A: So. [00:23:11] Speaker B: So you were already playing music at a young age? [00:23:14] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I feel like when I was, like, 10 or 11, I realized, like, I was no good at sports. They had the guys that were starting to play video games. That didn't look too fun to me, so. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Sure. [00:23:27] Speaker D: Then I saw my first concert that, like, I wanted to go to. It was something ridiculous like Van Halen or something. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Oh, well, that's. Could be worse. [00:23:35] Speaker D: I might as well play the guitar. And looks like. Looks like they're having plenty of fun. [00:23:38] Speaker C: With David or Sammy. Van Halen. [00:23:40] Speaker D: First tour with David Lee Roth back. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Oh, we're back. Okay. [00:23:45] Speaker D: Yeah. David Lee Roth's first return. And then from then on out, I just kind of played the guitar. I studied, you know, with Jay Griggs and my uncle. [00:23:52] Speaker B: Oh, you started with Jay Griggs. [00:23:54] Speaker D: Okay. I love Jay. Jay's. The only reason I'm a musician today is because Jay Griggs really Took me under his wing. [00:24:00] Speaker B: I think this may be the first time Jay's name has come up on the podcast. But shout out to Jay Griggs, you know? [00:24:05] Speaker D: Yeah, shout out Jay Griggs. [00:24:06] Speaker B: I. I played a lot of gigs with him when I was. When I was a teenager. He. He subbed with my father's band for. For a period of time, and I played with other. In other groups with Jay. [00:24:16] Speaker D: Wow. Yeah. Incredible player. Incredible guy. [00:24:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:20] Speaker D: Incredible writer, too. Yeah. Yeah. So. [00:24:24] Speaker B: So he was just teaching private lessons over there and you heard about him. [00:24:27] Speaker D: It was the. One of the craziest things because I, like, my first guitar teacher was his cat, Dave Starnes, who I later found out had studied with Jay. [00:24:36] Speaker B: Okay. [00:24:37] Speaker D: I took with him for a couple years and I was studying with my uncle, Scott Sanders. Jazz stuff. And then my dad, way back in the day had been running partners, like, with Jay, like, like, you know, having fun and back in the 80s and all. [00:24:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:24:52] Speaker D: And 90s. And he like hooked me up with Jay before I auditioned for noa because of the polarity. [00:24:57] Speaker C: Your parents found out about Nokia and they said, we gotta send them there. They just. They just sent you there. Who picked you up? Who drove you there? They just said, stay there. [00:25:07] Speaker D: I kind of found out because I was doing all the jazz camps at the time. [00:25:13] Speaker B: This was in middle school? [00:25:14] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, like around eighth or ninth grade. And they had all like the, like the Satcho Camp at Loyola. And then I did Donald Harrison's thing. [00:25:21] Speaker C: Did you ever do clown camp? [00:25:24] Speaker D: I would have been a lot more popular there than I was at jazz camp. I just like to listen to Jimi Hendrix, man. They did not. Donald Harrison was not happy with me. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Oh, is that right? Yeah. [00:25:34] Speaker D: I just knew, like, I mean, I was. I was a little 11 year old and I was terrified because he'd like, he'd point at someone and be like, what's a E flat diminished triad? And I'm like, I play the guitar. I don't even know how to play a diminished chords. I couldn't tell you the notes in it. [00:25:47] Speaker B: Yeah, you had a different sort of approach. [00:25:50] Speaker D: That means I have to tune the whole thing down, Right? Yeah. [00:25:54] Speaker B: While studying with Jay, you were into Hendrix and Hendrix and all that. [00:25:59] Speaker D: But I'm really grateful that, like, I found Noka and pursued the jazz stuff because Jay, he taught me how to start to learn to enjoy butting my head in the wall. When you get with like some advanced kind of theories, you know, like altered stuff or diminished or like. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Yeah. It's good to Stretch. It's good to, you know, you help. [00:26:23] Speaker D: Me stretch out my ears, know. [00:26:24] Speaker B: Nice, nice. [00:26:25] Speaker D: It's every time I practice, there's I'll have flashbacks to some lesson I had when I was 12 or 13 with Jay, and it's like, oh, yeah, he was telling me, yeah, you can just approach everything by a half. Staff up, step up, and it works. [00:26:38] Speaker B: Right, right? And you go, oh, yeah, no, I'm doing it naturally. [00:26:41] Speaker D: That's right. Yeah, I hear. [00:26:43] Speaker B: Right, right? [00:26:44] Speaker D: It's so scary when you're a kid, though, like. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know, I actually remember being in tears at the end of a lesson with Steve Mazachowski one time as, as he was explaining a tritone substitution to me, and my parents came and picked me up from the lesson, and I was just, I, I, I just, it was, whatever he was saying was not getting to me. And then, like, by the next week, I was like, oh, yeah, just instead of the five, it's. It's a half flat. Two, It's a half. Stop. Okay, yeah, no, I'm already doing that. You know, it's interesting the way, like, the intuitive shit and then when people talk about it in a certain way. [00:27:19] Speaker D: Yeah, I dropped it. Yeah. May not be at a Uno and I was in classes with Steve. [00:27:23] Speaker B: Okay, well, no, Steve was a great teacher. [00:27:25] Speaker D: He's an amazing teacher, but he is so far. And it's like. And I feel like one of the most important lessons I ever got is, like, I alternated between Steve and Brian Seeger being my teachers at Uno before I dropped out. And Brian laid it onto me, he was like, yeah, dude, your brain's like a computer and you have so much memory space, and if you have, like, some girlfriend you need to break up with, some conversation with a friend, you need to have all the stuff takes up the memory in your brain. Some home. I was in college, so, like, some homework you haven't done, some, like, undone assignments, all of that takes up the space that you can devote to practicing the art. So it's like. And he just, he just ripped me. It was like, dude, no wonder you're not able to practice. You have all this unfinished shit in your life. You're not gonna be able to sit down and get anything done. [00:28:12] Speaker C: So you broke up with your girlfriend? [00:28:15] Speaker D: No, it took me dropping out of college to get that smart, but okay, okay. [00:28:20] Speaker C: I remember when I was in college. Yeah, those were good. Did you ever do any drinking games in college? [00:28:26] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, I think games. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Just, Just drinking. [00:28:30] Speaker D: Just drinking. [00:28:31] Speaker C: I had this drinking game in college called Leave Me the Alone. It was three simple rules. Me drinking vodka soda with a pack of Camel Lights and you leaving me the alone. [00:28:43] Speaker B: Okay. [00:28:44] Speaker C: Those were the rules of the game. [00:28:45] Speaker D: That sounded like my Monday morning 8am class with Brent Rose. [00:28:49] Speaker C: Okay. [00:28:51] Speaker D: Except it wasn't Camels. It was my vape. [00:28:54] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:28:55] Speaker C: So how old are you? What, 19? 20. [00:28:58] Speaker D: 17. [00:28:59] Speaker C: You're 17 years old? I had a mustache when I was 17. I didn't have a beard when I was 17. [00:29:05] Speaker D: I don't know if I had a beard when I was 17 yet, I guess. [00:29:08] Speaker C: You just said you were 17. [00:29:10] Speaker B: 17 plus 10, I think. [00:29:12] Speaker D: 17 plus 10. [00:29:13] Speaker C: Okay. [00:29:13] Speaker D: I was going for shock value. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right. Well, you know, you wouldn't be the first 17 year old in this bar, I'm sure. But. But you would be the first 17 year old on the podcast. [00:29:25] Speaker D: Yeah, 17 plus 10, for the record. [00:29:28] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:29:28] Speaker B: Okay. You're a college boy. [00:29:30] Speaker C: Do the arithmetic. [00:29:31] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:32] Speaker B: Right, right, right. Then you wind up going to noka. Now, are you, as Manny was asking, were you living in New Orleans at the time or how did you. [00:29:42] Speaker D: I lived in Mandeville, pretty close to the lake. And then they had a bus that all the kids from NOKA would get on and go over. [00:29:50] Speaker C: Okay, you were living there by yourself? [00:29:53] Speaker D: No, I was living with my mom. [00:29:54] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I thought you said they sent you. They like, he made it seem like. [00:29:59] Speaker B: Go, go set him on the bus. And then they came back every. Every evening. [00:30:05] Speaker D: Came back. I came back every day at 8pm. [00:30:06] Speaker B: Yeah, sent him every day. That's a long day. [00:30:09] Speaker C: Take a sack lunch. Or do they have a cafeteria there? [00:30:12] Speaker D: I. My mom is a great cook. She made me the sack lunch. [00:30:15] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:30:16] Speaker C: And they're both from Northern California, Your parents? [00:30:19] Speaker D: No, no, no. I was adopted. So my mom is like, right across Jefferson Parish. [00:30:30] Speaker C: My mom was. [00:30:31] Speaker D: My mom's like, I think, like fifth or sixth generation New Orleanian from right across the Jefferson Parish line. And then my dad is Cajun French from cut off. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:30:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Nice, deep, deep Louisiana roots here. [00:30:44] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:30:45] Speaker B: So you had a good experience there at noka? That was incredible. [00:30:48] Speaker D: Yeah, incredible. [00:30:50] Speaker B: Life changing. Really? [00:30:51] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, just, I mean, every day for four. I do, like, normal classes, but they were taught by artists, so it's barely normal classes. [00:30:59] Speaker B: Sure. [00:31:00] Speaker D: And then from 1:15 to 4:30 or so every day, it'd be like, Kari Allen Lee, Chris Evren, Michael Polera, Michael Reiner. And Marsalis is coming in to guest teach, you know, great, great teachers, but. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Also Almost more importantly, a great culture and. And great student body where. Where not everybody's going to be a gem, but there's going to be a bunch. There's going to be. [00:31:34] Speaker C: They were also. They had really good connections too, right? Right? [00:31:38] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. [00:31:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:41] Speaker C: When you're jonesing, you got to get the best. [00:31:43] Speaker D: Oh, I thought we were talking about musical connections. [00:31:46] Speaker B: You got to be able to clear your mind. [00:31:47] Speaker D: Yeah, the connections. That. That was the worst part, dude. Especially with our bus driver from the North Shore, because there was plenty of times where we'd be like, we were seniors. So school would start like an hour later and we're like, oh, yeah, dude, just. Just drop us off at like Flores on Franklin Avenue. We'll go to school after. We promise. It's. [00:32:06] Speaker D: We did not go to school, Manny. [00:32:08] Speaker C: Good. [00:32:09] Speaker D: We went back at like 1pm all fucked up to go take our art classes. [00:32:13] Speaker B: But yeah, that gives you some time. [00:32:17] Speaker D: Noah's not. No. Cause not like that anymore. Guys still send your kids there. If you're listening. It's. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, it can fixed it. They can make what they want out of it, you know, if you want to. It's like many schools, you know, you can. You can create your own adventure. [00:32:30] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:32:32] Speaker B: That's what you want to put into it. That's what you can get out of it. [00:32:35] Speaker D: But even I would say I like the Hendrix stuff, I like the rock stuff. That's why I'm more of an Americana artist now than I am a straight ahead jazz artist. But it was so valuable to have all of those established musicians that really cared about the art and about the students. Just making me play my scales every day, man. I had to play my skills every day for four, four years with people who really understood the ins and outs guiding you through it. Yeah, I wouldn't trade that for anything. I wish I would have practiced more, but just doing that, I'm so grateful for it, you know? Sure, sure. [00:33:12] Speaker C: Scales. Never heard of him. [00:33:15] Speaker D: What you use to weigh something. [00:33:17] Speaker B: So you graduate from noka. [00:33:19] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:33:20] Speaker B: And then you go straight into uno. [00:33:24] Speaker D: I took a little gap year to, to try and play music. [00:33:27] Speaker B: And then I was like, now I was gonna say, are you. Are you finding bands to play with in New Orleans or while you're at noka or how does your professional career develop in parallel to your academic career? [00:33:39] Speaker D: It's been like quite the dichotomy, honestly. Cause I'm a pretty lackluster jazz guitar player. I can keep up, you know, I can play a brunch gig on the North Shore and play the melody or especially comp. For a horn player. I can play jazz. It's fine. I can read the charts. But I've never loved it. I was never really in that scene. And then from, you know, you branch off from there into the neo soul kind of thing. [00:34:04] Speaker B: Right. [00:34:05] Speaker D: And it's. It's never been something that's really called me, and I've been good at. So when I was in school for music, I wasn't really gigging heavily. And then as I left and dropped out, it's turned into more of a space where it's like, you go into the Americana scene or the country scene scene, or rock or funk. Stuff that, like, really moves me. It's nice to get those gigs. [00:34:25] Speaker B: You found your community. [00:34:26] Speaker D: Yeah, I found my community, exactly. [00:34:28] Speaker B: So that was. That was post uno. [00:34:32] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, Post. I dropped out during COVID Cause I was. I was in Steve's guitar ensemble, and we were doing, like, the online guitar lessons, and then I was like, fourth chair in the guitar ensemble. So we're doing like, Aerogen. And I had the fourth part harmony, doing, like, God knows what extension I was playing. I was like, playing the 11s or something. Right. And I can't sight read. And I would just have to. I'd have to sight read it, record it to a metronome, and send it in for them to, like, put together after. [00:35:07] Speaker B: That was not gonna happen because it's so far from what you wanted to do, which is go 1, 2, 3, 4, and play a tune. [00:35:14] Speaker D: Yeah. And then I also made the mistake of having all my hippie friends from New Orleans come and stay at my family's house on the North Shore to quarantine. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Oh. [00:35:24] Speaker D: So, yeah, no way I'm getting any work done, right? [00:35:27] Speaker B: Right? [00:35:27] Speaker D: No. No fucking way, man. [00:35:31] Speaker B: So you're still living on the North Shore at this time and. [00:35:33] Speaker D: But you're. [00:35:34] Speaker B: But you're starting to meet people in New Orleans. [00:35:38] Speaker D: Yeah, I started. I started to meet people, started to play more and more. I finally. I started a band with a couple of guys. I went to high school with Noah Basha and Tucker Godbold. Tucker was out of town and all for college. And then I kind of moved to New Orleans, started doing that thing. We did the Frenchman thing for a while. And then that band, it was honestly beautiful because Tucker had gone to. To Noka for musical theater, and he kind of got introduced to the jazz world. And then that band went in a jazz direction, and I was like, I'm back in class. Again, yeah. And then it kind of fell apart because I wasn't. I kind of found, like, writing country songs and the Americana scene and working in that capacity as sideman gigs as a place where I wasn't really excel at in my own band anymore. So I kind of started taking that avenue and then that band fell apart and I was like, I know all the musicians. I might as well just do my. [00:36:38] Speaker B: Own thing right now. Last week we had Miles Jordan on, and you came, accompanied him and he. And that's when I found out that you were actually from the area because he was saying that you'd been friends since you're like three or something. [00:36:53] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, absolutely. [00:36:55] Speaker B: How are y' all friends since. For that long? [00:36:57] Speaker D: So my sister, Kim Vanderbrook, and my brother in law, Kevin Vanderbrook, they've been friends with Dave Jordan since, like, they were all in high school on the North Shore. So when Miles was first born and I was first adopted. [00:37:15] Speaker B: Y' all were together? [00:37:16] Speaker D: Yeah. There's pictures of us, like, looking like fucked up babies and don't. WWOZ sunglasses on somebody's boat, and we're like three years old. [00:37:24] Speaker B: That's funny, right? [00:37:25] Speaker D: My sister actually sent me that picture a couple weeks ago and was like, I bet this is how you guys look at Snake and Jake's tonight. [00:37:33] Speaker B: Oh, you have to send us that picture. Maybe we'll use it in the. Absolutely, absolutely. [00:37:37] Speaker D: Just. Just tag Miles in it, too. Don't let me suffer the shame all over. [00:37:41] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I will, I will. [00:37:42] Speaker C: I wonder why Miles didn't bring this up. [00:37:45] Speaker B: Hadn't. [00:37:46] Speaker D: That's a good question. I wish he was our silent partner. [00:37:49] Speaker C: Yeah, there you go. [00:37:50] Speaker B: He said he might come, but I guess he had class tonight. [00:37:53] Speaker D: No, I saw him earlier. He's going and helping Dave out. [00:37:57] Speaker B: All right, good deal. And how's Dave doing this week? [00:37:59] Speaker D: I haven't talked to Dave a lot since the last waltz. But I have to say, his performance at the last waltz blew me away. I mean, I don't know if it's just being close to Dave and loving him and respecting him and knowing, like, the whole situation and all, but that song, Helpless by Crosby, Stills and Nash, and he sang it so well and, like, with all of his being. I think everyone on stage was, like, close to tears playing that. It was beautiful. [00:38:29] Speaker B: Well, you know, you come, you have a flash of mortality, and it can recalibrate your emotions and. And your priorities. And I've seen it before. I had a friend who I played in a band with for many Years and had a near death experience, kind of came back from it. And man, those gigs that we did after the reprieve were all like playing a gig, like maybe the last gig I ever play, you know, with that kind of intention and focus behind it, man. [00:39:01] Speaker D: It's magic. [00:39:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well, and I understand Dave is. Is getting stronger every day. [00:39:06] Speaker D: Absolutely. [00:39:07] Speaker B: So that's all great. We're all thrilled to hear that. Let's see, where are we here? Oh, yeah. Perfect timing, Manny. This is a good time for to take our break. [00:39:18] Speaker C: Yeah. The nation knows what to do. And we'll be right back with. [00:39:22] Speaker B: We'll say can you hear them steal guitar sing. [00:39:33] Speaker A: Or sound broken glass and. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Trains that chime. [00:39:42] Speaker B: Tell me do them. [00:39:43] Speaker D: Sail the bills of freedom still ring. [00:39:52] Speaker B: And the black in the skies of. [00:39:54] Speaker D: The land and school decline. [00:40:00] Speaker A: It'S all right. [00:40:03] Speaker C: Till it's all wrong. [00:40:08] Speaker C: And you're. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Out. [00:40:12] Speaker D: All alone. [00:40:16] Speaker A: It'S not hard to. [00:40:19] Speaker D: See what's going on. [00:40:24] Speaker D: One day you heal. [00:40:28] Speaker C: The next. [00:40:44] Speaker B: And we're back. Back with Mr. Manny Chevrolet. Yes, I am Renee Coleman. [00:40:49] Speaker C: Yes. [00:40:49] Speaker B: Back with our guest, Mr. Max Sanders. [00:40:51] Speaker C: That's his name. [00:40:52] Speaker B: Yes. Okay. And now, Max Maxwell. [00:40:55] Speaker C: Maxwell or Maximus, it's just Max. [00:40:59] Speaker D: It ain't short for nothing. [00:41:00] Speaker B: To the Max. [00:41:01] Speaker D: I'm short enough already. [00:41:02] Speaker B: Maxi to the Max. [00:41:05] Speaker D: To the Max or Maxi. [00:41:07] Speaker C: Anyone ever call you Maxi? [00:41:09] Speaker D: You can. [00:41:10] Speaker B: Okay, all right. I like it. I like it. It says go along to get along, Max. That's what I say, you know. [00:41:15] Speaker D: Amen. [00:41:16] Speaker B: Amen. All right, well, Max, I know you're here. Somewhat new to the podcast, but we are a listener supported operation. We do have Venmo and PayPal links in the show, notes of every show. And our devoted listeners will support the show. They'll use those links. You know, today is Giving Tuesday, as I say, and some of our listeners have beat them to the punch. We have a long time supporter listener Bill Pachette, who just is supporting. He's actually buying cocktails for a couple of weeks in honor of me and Manny's birthday, which just passed. He was a little bit behind on shows, so as he caught up, he realized, oh, he'd missed both of our birthdays. [00:42:01] Speaker C: So thank you. [00:42:02] Speaker B: So shout out to Bill Pachette. We love you. [00:42:05] Speaker D: Thanks, Bill. [00:42:06] Speaker B: And you know, we also so that you can find those links there. Easy to find. And also we have a link for a Patreon page. We have a handful of patrons that support us week in and week out and also follow us on social media, Facebook, Instagram and rate Review and subscribe to the podcast. [00:42:26] Speaker C: A million. That's what they max. A million. [00:42:28] Speaker D: Wherever there. A thousand. [00:42:30] Speaker B: Okay. Wherever they're. [00:42:31] Speaker C: Don't sell yourself short, man. [00:42:33] Speaker D: Give us five high. It's usually max 100. Give us. [00:42:36] Speaker B: Give us five stars. Cost you. Nothing helps. [00:42:39] Speaker C: Two bits. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Okay, and what else? I have a former guest of ours, Augustus, another great name like Maximilian or Maximus. Augustus Walker was on show 221. He's over there in Australia. He's Nicole Povi's son. He's a psychedelic trance, an electronic artist and goes by the stage name Silicon Slave. He's got a. A new single out based on some of the. The content, some of the ideas behind the Epstein Island. It's got a new single called Donnie and Bubba. [00:43:20] Speaker B: Subtitle Island Hopping. And so everybody check that out. You can find [email protected]. and I'll put. Put that in the show notes. Gus is over there working hard. He. At one time, when we had him on the show a couple of years ago, he was trying to do. Had a goal of doing 100 pieces of music in 100 days. [00:43:41] Speaker D: Wow. [00:43:42] Speaker B: That he would do that every. Now, obviously he doesn't have a steady job, so he had some free time over there. [00:43:49] Speaker C: It was during the pandemic. [00:43:50] Speaker B: During the pandemic. [00:43:51] Speaker C: Right, right, right. Bring back that pen. [00:43:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I know, man. He misses it. I hear you. I hear you. [00:43:59] Speaker C: It was so good. [00:44:00] Speaker B: It was so much better. [00:44:02] Speaker C: She really was. [00:44:04] Speaker B: Anyway, can find my dates on iguanas.com or the Renee Coleman Facebook page. And while we're plugging some releases, Max, you were mentioning that one of your bands. Hunks of Coal. [00:44:16] Speaker D: Hunks of Coal, Yeah. [00:44:17] Speaker B: And that's kind of a Christmas theme group. [00:44:19] Speaker D: Yeah, it's Harry Barton from the New Orleans Johnny's. I don't know. [00:44:24] Speaker B: Okay. [00:44:24] Speaker C: All right. [00:44:25] Speaker D: Dear friend, like I do great guy. Me, him and Al Smalls. [00:44:29] Speaker B: Okay. [00:44:30] Speaker D: Started after a hanging at Al's house. We wrote a bunch of irreverent Christmas stuff, and it blossomed into this project of his called the Hunks of Coal. [00:44:39] Speaker C: Now are you guys gonna have a calendar? [00:44:41] Speaker D: We. I think we haven't even thought of that yet. And you just gave us the best merch idea ever. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Or like, what do they have those. The. The Advent calendar. Is that what you're talking about? [00:44:53] Speaker D: Where it's a different revealing photo every 25 days of the Christmas? [00:44:56] Speaker C: Like the firemen in New York have their calendar down stripped to their hose and the. The UPS drivers in LA Thing where they take off the brown, you know, and one of them's Mr. October. One of them, sure. Yeah. [00:45:11] Speaker B: No, no, I get. Hello, Calendar. [00:45:12] Speaker D: Maybe we need to combine forces and do the troubled men. Calendar. [00:45:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. [00:45:20] Speaker B: It was. [00:45:20] Speaker D: It was worth a shot. It was worth a shot. [00:45:22] Speaker C: Stick with the hunks. [00:45:23] Speaker D: You can cut this out of the podcast, right? [00:45:28] Speaker C: If I was 17 plus 10, I would think about it. [00:45:31] Speaker D: Not 17 plus, but anyway, the. [00:45:33] Speaker B: The EP. [00:45:34] Speaker C: I have trouble pissing, man. So, you know, I'm not going to show myself how to, you know, Mr. October. [00:45:40] Speaker D: You know that we can get you a real nice. Real nice bodysuit, Manny. [00:45:45] Speaker B: Those unitards. [00:45:47] Speaker D: Hey, man, only my mom's allowed me to. To call me that. [00:45:51] Speaker B: Okay? [00:45:51] Speaker D: If I could have hit the joke, it would have been so good. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Oh, no, that's. That's okay. [00:45:55] Speaker D: But, yeah, Hunks of Cole First EP Stocking Suffers. Volume one is out everywhere. You can stream it now. It has beautiful songs such as It's Always Christmas Time at Snake and Jake's, which It is Jesus's 18th birthday on Bourbon Street. Okay, Chestnuts in your mouth. [00:46:16] Speaker B: Okay, I see where you're going with this. [00:46:19] Speaker D: And then my personal favorite, the trad jazz song, Santa's Gonna Make It In Time for Mardi Gras, which is a beautiful ballad about a father who spends all his money, me, at the track on Christmas day and writes his daughter a note from Santa Claus that says, the reindeers broke down, but I'll be there by Mardi Gras with the presents. [00:46:42] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, it's a. You know, while we're on. [00:46:46] Speaker C: That girl ended up working the pole on Mardi Gras. [00:46:50] Speaker B: Of course she did. How does that end any other way? [00:46:54] Speaker C: Exactly? [00:46:55] Speaker B: You know, getting a 10 touching on gambling for a minute. I was thinking about this today, man. You know, you and I were saying this years ago. [00:47:02] Speaker C: Yes. [00:47:03] Speaker B: Before it even became totally legalized, but we could see that that's the way they were going. That. That this online betting, especially on the phones now, especially young about. Among young men like yourself, it's the new crack cocaine. It will ruin lives. [00:47:22] Speaker C: Well, yeah, and it's been. It's legal. It's sponsored now by sports networks. And, you know, anybody. You listen to your sports radio, every commercial break has somebody say, yeah, and all the. [00:47:33] Speaker B: All the. The major league teams, all the. [00:47:36] Speaker C: The. [00:47:37] Speaker B: The leagues, as you say, you know, they're all in bed with. [00:47:40] Speaker C: With all these gambling operations, more athletes are getting busted. [00:47:43] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's. [00:47:44] Speaker C: It's. [00:47:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's Showing up all the time. It's even in weird ways, like the, the guy, the pitcher who was throwing these weird pitches because they have these proprietary bets where you can bet on like, whether it's going to be a fastball or a slider first pitch. [00:48:03] Speaker D: To me, the worst part about all of it is that the odds are so bad when you bet on the Saints to lose. You bet a hundred dollars, you're going to make. [00:48:15] Speaker C: Well, yeah, yeah, exactly. [00:48:18] Speaker D: I know they're gonna lose. I might as well get some money. You're not. [00:48:21] Speaker B: Nobody's gonna take the other side of. [00:48:23] Speaker C: That right now where it's just like, I look, I watch a game and it's a good game, it's exciting game, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, that's all Vegas, man. Yeah. [00:48:34] Speaker C: This is all Vegas. So when my wife was watching the Saints game this Sunday, I was watching it kinda with her. She's like going, how could they do that? I go, it's all Vegas. [00:48:44] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:48:45] Speaker C: It's all Vegas. So, yeah. So if you're a sports fan, you're a die hard for your team. Just say that to yourself. Make it be your chant, your mantra, you know, don't go ahead. Don't bust in the tv. Don't beat the wife, don't beat the dog. Just say, it's all Vegas. [00:49:04] Speaker B: There you go. Got to be very circumspect about it. [00:49:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:07] Speaker D: You know, can I get a Manny Chevrolet it's all Vegas bumper sticker, please? [00:49:12] Speaker C: All right, sure. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Okay. It's. It's an idea. Man, these, these young kids, man, they. They like them. They got some energy. [00:49:18] Speaker C: They got energy in them. Yeah. [00:49:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:20] Speaker C: Have another cocktail. [00:49:21] Speaker B: Well, speaking of that, back to our guest. [00:49:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Max Sanders. Great. Max Sanders. Now. So. So Max, you use a thing called a bee bender. [00:49:31] Speaker D: Yeah, I do now. I love that. [00:49:33] Speaker B: First, explain to people what the B bender is and then we'll talk about it. [00:49:37] Speaker D: Some a brief history of the B bender is in general. It's a device that you put on, traditionally a Fender Telecaster, to bend individual strings to make it sound like a pedal steel guitar. [00:49:50] Speaker B: It's a bridge attachment, right? [00:49:52] Speaker D: Yeah. The first one was made by Clarence White, an incredible bluegrass picker who was also in the Birds before his tragic death in like 71 or 72. His. He hollowed out the whole back of his guitar and had a series of levers and springs like you would find in a steel guitar that you activated with the strap lock. Luckily enough for me, I. I was always really fascinated by this. I love the birds. I especially love, like, the Live at the Fillmore east albums with Clarence White doing, like, the blazing country stuff. But one of my good buddies, in my opinion, the best young guitar player in New Orleans, Carter Wilkinson. Young. I mean, my age, 17 +10. This dude is the baddest motherfucker I've ever fucking seen. He had a telly that sounded like shit that he didn't like and he gave to me. And it had B benders on it. So I put it on my main telly. And these B benders that I've started to use, they're levers. So I have a lever for the B string that'll lifted a whole. [00:50:50] Speaker B: It's on your right hand, gets underneath. [00:50:52] Speaker D: Your right palm, my palm while I'm picking, right. And I can get a whole step up on the B string or a whole step up on the G string. And that with a volume pedal, I can just swell in these bending chords. And I'm keeping myself occupied and I'm out of the way, so no one wants to fire me anymore. It's been the best thing that ever happened to my career. [00:51:14] Speaker B: And you can create all these pedal steel effects and you use it with a volume pedal. I'm imagining. [00:51:21] Speaker D: Absolutely. I love that volume pedal. And the B benders is, like I said, that's what keeps me hired. I can stay out of the way, but it's interesting. And I think steel guitar, in my opinion, as a guitarist, is one of the best sounds that the instrument, the guitar can have. It's so ethereal, Right. It fits in the mix in this really unique way that adds so much. [00:51:46] Speaker B: You're able to use some of those. [00:51:49] Speaker B: Kind of Nashville stylizations that just unlock a key in your brain right away. It's like. Oh, yeah, that. [00:51:57] Speaker D: Yeah, absolutely. Just that sound that you've heard on so many albums, you know, and it just does something, you know, now you're. [00:52:04] Speaker B: The only guy I've ever seen in New Orleans with one of those things. [00:52:09] Speaker D: Yeah. I hope it stays that way. Okay, well, I'm not that good at it, but. [00:52:12] Speaker B: Oh, well, I'm. [00:52:14] Speaker D: I'm just. One of the most thankful moments of my life is that Carter Wilkinson gave me his bee bender telly instead of how. Instead of learning how to use it. Because. [00:52:26] Speaker D: Out of luck, if a smart person got behind the reins of one of those things. But I got a couple of shapes that I use and. And it just does the sound, man. It's nice. [00:52:37] Speaker C: So you're the only one Using this. [00:52:40] Speaker D: That I know of, that I've seen. [00:52:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. [00:52:43] Speaker C: I've seen the only one people listening at home who. Who's, like, your favorite steel guitar. [00:52:49] Speaker D: I mean, I feel like Buddy Emmons is the best. [00:52:51] Speaker C: Who is he? Who does he play? [00:52:53] Speaker D: That's the guy he does. He'll have, like, the old, old school talk box in the 60s in his mouth playing pedal steel. Buddy Emmons is like the legend. But Clarence White is the best B. Bender guitar player in my opinion, because he invented the be bender. [00:53:12] Speaker C: Right. [00:53:12] Speaker B: Now you must be a fan of Ben Keith, the steel player with Neil Young played on all his classic Harvest. [00:53:20] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:53:20] Speaker B: And all that stuff. And now what I like about that cat is. Is, you know, he used the instrument in somewhat of an unorthodox way, you know, I mean, didn't. He didn't play. I mean, he could do the regular cliche stuff, but on all the Neil stuff, he's really not playing like that, man. He's just using it as this other voice, you know? [00:53:37] Speaker D: Yeah. I feel like that's where the steel guitar shines. Because the cliches sound great. [00:53:44] Speaker C: Right. [00:53:44] Speaker D: You know, they're cliches for a reason. [00:53:46] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:47] Speaker D: But like I was saying, it's just such an authentic ethereal instrument, and it adds this amount of space to the music. There's no attack. And then the decay is usually washed in like the spring reverb from a Fender amp. So it's like angelic voices, for lack of a better term. [00:54:06] Speaker B: Right. And so. And there's also no. No rhythmic disagreement with anything. [00:54:11] Speaker D: Exactly. There's no kind of rhythmic juxtaposition. And then especially. And then once a steel player starts doing the bending stuff, it's just notes bending and sliding around in rhythm. And I mean, usually most of the cats, especially, like, Emmons, like, his rhythm is impeccable, but it doesn't really need to be. You can be a little loose and because everything's sliding around, it just kind of adds to this woozy aspect. Right, right. And I don't know why, but it makes it feel so country. Whatever you put it on. Working with Lynn, there's a lot of times I'll be leaning into being a bender telly player because her music is very Americana. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:54:55] Speaker D: And she's like, you're making it too country. I need you to play this shit like an actual guitar player. And she's right, because that sound has such a specific vibe. [00:55:06] Speaker B: Right. And see, that's one of the things I love about. About Lynn is she knows exactly what she wants it to sound like or what it's supposed to sound like in her head. [00:55:15] Speaker D: Absolutely. [00:55:15] Speaker B: Not only that. She's such a fucking good musician. She knows exactly where the pocket is, what the. What the tempo is, and. [00:55:24] Speaker B: She'S slicing it very finely. [00:55:26] Speaker D: She knows exactly where it is. Some of my scariest but favorite moments are like, I'll be on a gig with Lynn and she calls a song that maybe I don't know that well, or I haven't shedded, and we're like eight bars before I have to play a guitar lick. And she'll lean over and sing the guitar lick to me so I can hit it right. Like this motherfucker didn't shed it. Let me. [00:55:50] Speaker D: She's just that kind of musician that understands her music inside and out from the perspective of all the instruments, you know? And that's a beautiful fucking thing, man. [00:56:00] Speaker B: Anytime I'm. I'm like working with the sound man that's not. Not familiar with the band or something, I'll go over and say, look, Lynn is not a guitar player who's playing along with the band. Lynn is the center of the sound that the band is going to be. She's going to be directing the band from her position. We're going to be playing with her. So mix it accordingly, you know, Give. [00:56:21] Speaker D: Me Lynn's guitar and the monitors louder than everything else, please. [00:56:25] Speaker B: And put lens guitar as the center of the mix. [00:56:28] Speaker D: Exactly. Yeah. Out front, too. She's got such a good sound, too, with her pedal board and her amp and all that. [00:56:34] Speaker B: You know, she's. [00:56:34] Speaker C: She's. [00:56:35] Speaker B: She could. She could beat on a garbage can. It would sound good. [00:56:37] Speaker D: Yeah, she's right. [00:56:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:40] Speaker B: Well, back to you, Max. Being so young, we can't go back. Someone like Roger Lewis, who played with. With Fats Domino. Yeah. You know, it's. We don't have 60 years of professional history to go through, so. You play with Lynn. [00:56:55] Speaker C: You. [00:56:55] Speaker B: You play with Dave from time to time. Maggie Corner. I know. [00:56:59] Speaker D: Yeah. We just played at Tips for Maggie's Upstate album release, which is an incredible album. A lot of members from Revivalist have features on it. My dear friend Hans Williams has a feature on it. Some members of Honey Island Swamp Band have features on it. It's a great record. We did the release of Tipitina's. It was an amazing show. Anyone that's listening right now, please go check out the record. You're gonna love it. Right on. Maggie's a pleasure to work for. [00:57:29] Speaker B: Okay. [00:57:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:57:31] Speaker B: And then you also have this other group, Cosmic Gumbo. [00:57:35] Speaker D: Yeah. So Cosmic Gumbo is when I kind of broke off from my band and started doing my own thing. It's like there's me as like the Americana artist with my songs, and that's one thing. But I also realized, like, I love just getting together random groups of musicians or not random curated groups of musicians to take a set list. That's easy enough that you can have a week or two notice of the gig and you don't need to like, shed your ass off to play it. But we can all show up and have fun and make music. And that's kind of been something like that. Where every time it's a different group of musicians, but I kind of pick out who do I think is gonna be good working together, but also have the right amount of. They don't play together with each other enough. [00:58:26] Speaker B: That maintains spontaneity. [00:58:28] Speaker D: Yeah. It makes it a little interesting. Yeah. So that's what that is. [00:58:31] Speaker B: Right on. That's kind of a little bit jam band oriented. [00:58:34] Speaker D: Yeah. It's definitely more improv as a Tory. Right, right. Than my other self. [00:58:40] Speaker B: And I saw you guys play at the Maple Leaf occasionally with that group. [00:58:44] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:58:45] Speaker B: And then this other band that. [00:58:47] Speaker C: That. [00:58:47] Speaker B: I'm not sure your involvement, but Cast Iron Shoes. [00:58:51] Speaker D: Cast Iron Shoes, that's one of my very good friends Nicole Ridgewell's band. [00:59:00] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:02] Speaker D: She's from out in Austin. We met through. [00:59:06] Speaker D: Somewhat New Orleans native Anna Lamar. [00:59:09] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:10] Speaker D: I was playing sidemanning for Anna and we were all on a songwriter gig at this house show uptown. And we got on real well and she's doing this country record. We kind of had a night where she's sober. So I think we smoke like three packs of American Spirits and crushed a pack of non alcoholic Stellas. Good times. Yeah. Mediocre times. [00:59:34] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:35] Speaker D: But we wrote some really good tunes. [00:59:37] Speaker C: Sounds like horrible sex. [00:59:40] Speaker D: Thankfully, there was none of that involved. [00:59:42] Speaker B: Sure. That's like. [00:59:44] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I know how to. I know how to keep a good gig. [00:59:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Don't the leader. [00:59:48] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. Don't the band leader. That's 101. [00:59:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:59:53] Speaker D: That's 101. [00:59:54] Speaker B: Yes. [00:59:56] Speaker D: I have more jokes to make, but I'm not going to make them on the podcast. [00:59:59] Speaker C: Say Kevin Federline. [01:00:00] Speaker D: Whoa. [01:00:02] Speaker B: Oh, come on. [01:00:03] Speaker D: I don't know who Kevin Federline is. [01:00:06] Speaker C: That guy that up, he has no talent. [01:00:09] Speaker B: He was married to Britney Spears. Britney Spears. Oh, my God. The father of her two children. [01:00:14] Speaker D: Oh, my God. [01:00:15] Speaker C: How do you blow that? [01:00:16] Speaker B: You know who knows? [01:00:18] Speaker D: All that aside, go listen to the Cast Iron Shoes record. We recorded it with Cast Iron Shoes. That's the name of her group. My good friend, Black Pumas. Yeah. Black Puma's producer and engineer, Aaron Glaminski. [01:00:33] Speaker B: Okay. [01:00:34] Speaker D: Produced it. We're in Adrian Cassada's studio. I have the shirt on today. Electric Deluxe. [01:00:40] Speaker B: I like that shirt. [01:00:41] Speaker C: Wearing a long time. [01:00:42] Speaker D: Amazing studio. Yeah. I haven't taken it off for the past three years. [01:00:46] Speaker C: Smell it. Yeah. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:47] Speaker D: I thought that was you. [01:00:49] Speaker B: Definitely you. [01:00:51] Speaker C: This microphone, anyway. [01:00:53] Speaker B: The microphone. [01:00:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:55] Speaker D: Dude, when's the last time you changed the pop filter? [01:00:57] Speaker B: Oh, we change it every week. No, that's. That's Manny. It's only. [01:01:00] Speaker D: Man, I thought it started out as a white pop filter, and it was just orange. By this time. [01:01:05] Speaker B: It's red because, you know, it's like a clown nose. [01:01:07] Speaker D: God damn it. I'm colorblind, man. [01:01:09] Speaker B: That's all right. It's the. It's all the red lights. Hair. How can you tell? Well, you know something, that. [01:01:14] Speaker D: I thought they were green lights. [01:01:15] Speaker B: That occurred to me. You mentioned that. That Scott Sanders, and you said he was your uncle. Yeah, the guitar player, Scott Sand. Yeah, yeah. I went to. To Loyola Music School with Scott Sanders. [01:01:27] Speaker D: You went to Loyola with Scott? Oh, my God, that's incredible. Yeah, yeah, that's my uncle. I've known Scott since. [01:01:32] Speaker B: Okay. [01:01:33] Speaker D: I was adopted. [01:01:33] Speaker B: You said the name, and I was like, why do I know that name? And I'm turning the break, I'm thinking it's like, oh, yeah, I know. Scott Sanders. [01:01:39] Speaker D: Yeah, Scott. [01:01:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It was, like, still on Grand Round St John or something or. [01:01:45] Speaker C: Right. [01:01:46] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, he's still. Right. Yeah. Right. Mid City. [01:01:48] Speaker B: Close enough. Right, Right on. Anyway, yeah. [01:01:52] Speaker B: No, no, please, please don't. No, no. But. But yeah, I go back, way back. [01:01:58] Speaker B: Manny knows. Well, we're kind of on the downslope of the podcast here. So you. You have all these bands. You have the single I mentioned, Steel guitar. [01:02:09] Speaker D: Yeah. I'm gonna be releasing that full EP soon. Just shout out to the people that worked on that with me. I recorded it in and outside of Philadelphia with Tuck Ryan and AJ Suge, both incredible Americana artists, but they're mainly neo soul guys. And we met through a dealer friend of mine, like patron of the Arts, Paul Heller down here, just playing house shows for him. [01:02:35] Speaker B: Okay. [01:02:36] Speaker D: But it was one of the best experiences recording I've ever had because it's like, I wrote this Americana record and I sent it to them, and they're all Philly Neo Soul cats. And they listen. They like love Neil Young. They listen to a lot of the Americana, so. But they never worked on a record like that. Yeah, and just kind of getting the neo soul sound and musicianship and that east coast attitude of really knowing the fucking tunes when you come in the room. I'm really excited for it because just the juxtaposition, like working with Philadelphia neo soul cats on a New Orleans Americana album, it really created a beautiful result and I am so glad. Glad I trusted those guys ears. [01:03:22] Speaker B: Nice, man. [01:03:22] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:03:23] Speaker B: And so your throw is beyond Louisiana. You go and play. You've done touring around with people. [01:03:31] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Yeah. This past summer was the worst idea and best idea I've ever had. [01:03:36] Speaker B: Go on. [01:03:37] Speaker D: I kind of had this huge tour where I had my car and I was doing either solo acoustics, duo or sideman gigs up and back from the west coast, then flying out and doing runs as a sideman for whoever had enough money to fly me out and to play as a sideman. And then that worked me up and down the west coast twice back and then up and down the east coast for two months. [01:04:08] Speaker B: Nice, man. Good for you. [01:04:10] Speaker D: I get why they say lose leave New Orleans from May to October. [01:04:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:04:16] Speaker D: It was a little scary coming back. And the door guy at the Maple Leaf didn't recognize me. And it's like, I didn't make that much money. I spent it all making the ep, so it was like, I definitely can't pay to get in, so. [01:04:27] Speaker B: Well, you know, you're. You're. You're still growing, so. [01:04:29] Speaker D: I'm young enough. It's okay to be broke. [01:04:32] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. This is the time to do it, Max. [01:04:35] Speaker D: There was a time to be absolutely out of money. It's right now. Now. [01:04:39] Speaker C: The calendar is now. You should do it before the holiday season starts. [01:04:43] Speaker B: I think it might be too late for this before. [01:04:47] Speaker C: Do it before Hanukkah. You know, you got to do the chunks of coal. [01:04:52] Speaker B: Chunks of coal. [01:04:54] Speaker C: The hunks of coal. [01:04:55] Speaker D: It's always Christmas time at Snake and Jake's. [01:04:57] Speaker C: There you go. [01:04:57] Speaker B: That's right. [01:04:58] Speaker C: He'll sell your calendar. Dave will do it. [01:05:00] Speaker D: We're about to put the song on when the podcast ends. I hope you guys around to listen to it. [01:05:05] Speaker B: Okay, well, maybe we'll use it at the end of the podcast. [01:05:08] Speaker D: Please do. It's incredibly offensive. [01:05:11] Speaker B: Okay. I hope Dave does fit right now. [01:05:13] Speaker D: To take it down. [01:05:15] Speaker C: But he can't hear. He's like 80 years old. [01:05:19] Speaker D: We'll just. We'll just gaslight him Those aren't the lyrics. You heard the wrong lyrics. [01:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's in your head. Well, Max, just what your friends told you again. I, I. At the end of the podcast last week, I was, I was left with the impressions. Like, I'm optimistic about the future because of young people like, like you and, And Miles and, you know, that they're young people who, who are, you know, focused on the work and have energy and, and enthusiasm and heart, and all is not lost. So thank you. [01:05:51] Speaker D: We just got really lucky by having this last couple generations of New Orleans humans and artists to look up to, because the spirit's been kept alive here by a lot of generations, and we all owe it to the last one to be where we are today. [01:06:07] Speaker B: Right on. We're all standing on the shoulders of giants. [01:06:09] Speaker D: Yeah, you're right. [01:06:10] Speaker B: All right, well, thank you so much, Max. [01:06:12] Speaker C: Don't you have any stickers? [01:06:14] Speaker B: Oh, we have stickers for Max, Yes. I'll pull them out of my pocket. [01:06:17] Speaker D: Here on my old telly. [01:06:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll give you a couple more because, you know, always be, always be. Closing, as they say. Coffee's for closer. [01:06:26] Speaker D: I am a troubled man. [01:06:27] Speaker B: So aren't we all? [01:06:29] Speaker D: Is this like a warning label, Renee? [01:06:31] Speaker B: It's, it's whatever. It's. It's a warning label. It's an advertisement. Bathroom tissue, shirts, whatever you need. That's right. [01:06:40] Speaker D: Manny with the eloquent language. Always tape if you need it. [01:06:44] Speaker C: I'm just honest. [01:06:45] Speaker B: He's honest. [01:06:46] Speaker C: All right. People don't understand that. [01:06:48] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [01:06:49] Speaker C: They think I'm being sure. [01:06:51] Speaker B: People misunderstand. [01:06:52] Speaker C: And he's got many maroons out there. [01:06:54] Speaker B: I'm not going to name any names right now, but you know who you are. [01:06:56] Speaker D: Toilet paper roll full of troubled man stickers for all of you. [01:06:59] Speaker B: Right, right, right. As always on the troubled men podcast, we like to say trouble never ends. [01:07:04] Speaker C: But it continues always the struggle. Good night. [01:07:07] Speaker B: Good night. [01:07:08] Speaker D: Amen. [01:07:08] Speaker A: The endless holiday season has a place. [01:07:15] Speaker A: It ain't cold there but you still can't feel your face. [01:07:20] Speaker A: It's been snowing in the bathroom since 1988. [01:07:31] Speaker A: It's always Christmas time. Sneak and jakes. [01:07:39] Speaker A: Well, every single day of the year. [01:07:43] Speaker A: You can find yourself that holiday cheer the kind that gets you jingling in your nose and throat and ears. It's always Christmas time and snake and jigs. [01:07:59] Speaker A: Well, don't worry if you got some coal and you're stuck in There's a spot way up the town that's always. [01:08:08] Speaker A: But if the door is locked and the bathroom stall don't you go a knockin it's always Christmas time at Snake and Jake's it's always Christmas time at Snake and Jake's it ain't cold there but you still can't feel your face it's been snowing in the bathroom since 1988. It's always Christmas time and Snake and Jake's. [01:08:38] Speaker A: The tree won't be packed with toys and gifts but you'll feel that holiday joy when it hits your lips and if you need another it will it's only two bucks for a slit it's always Christmas time it's thinking it takes. [01:08:59] Speaker A: You can give your jingle horse force a hop with another round of ice cold possum drops you can even smoke vent soft toe don't pass it to a car it's always Christmas time at Snakin Jigs it's always time at Snake and Jigs that ain't cold hair but you still can't feel your face it's been snowing in the bathroom since 1988 it's always Christmas time Snake and Jinks Sam. [01:10:07] Speaker A: Ain't got no baby in a manger. [01:10:12] Speaker A: You might get your stocking stuffed by a stranger. [01:10:18] Speaker A: There's a narcan pen behind the bar if you find yourself in danger. [01:10:27] Speaker A: So it's Christmas time Spankin jigs you won't find no stockings on the mantel Joseph and Mary ain't on a candle they got a dirty old couch we're passing out I feel it more than you can handle. It's always Christmas time at Snake and Jake's it's always Christmas time at Snake and Jake's that ain't cold air but you still can't feel your face it's been snowing in the bathroom since 1988. It's always Christmas time Snake and Jake it's always Christmas time at Snake and Jake it ain't cold there but you still can't feel your face it's been snowing in the bathroom since 1988 it's always Christmas time Snake and Jake Jake, Snake and Jake it's always Christmas time and Snake and Jake it's always Christmas time and Snake and Jake it's always Christmas time at Snake and J.